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Candy Oshea Amarr Techfree Investment Group	Posted - 2011.05.13 01:27:00 - [1] The only issue i can see atm with mission grinders is Plex's being too easily attainable. Once you have around 4m SP you can easily tank a level 4 mission or 2 a day & plex your account. In my early days, By running missions & salvaging with an alt, i could plex my account, & reprocess loot & manufacture items from it, sell & buy new stuff/upgrade. IF rewards are nerfed by way of LP or bounties, ppl can still run missions, but they may not earn enough isk to plex their account's. so they either will have to Pay RL $$ (which is what i suspect CCP wants)or find a new source of in game income to afford a plex. namely Mining. This folks is a stealth mining buff. ___ iCandy Bonds
Candy Oshea Amarr Techfree Investment Group	Posted - 2011.05.16 00:58:00 - [2] Edited by: Candy Oshea on 16/05/2011 00:59:09 Originally by: Candy Oshea *The only issue i can see atm* with mission grinders is Plex's being too easily attainable. Originally by:** Zube Zwartraider So my point referring to your post here is: PLEXes will not become more easily attainable. Sorry if i seem to be trolling you but... You didn't read what line 1 in my post actually said did you??? pretty sure you just agreed with me .. If a player who used to plex their account via Level 4's (pre nerf) lets face it, a good level 4 agent with a CNR, can easily make 25 mil for an hours work. this is far too easy for high sec, with little to no risk. Now suddenly "nerf" can't afford plex by running missions, they will either pay the RL$$ for their subscription (generating more revenue for CCP) or look to alternate in game isk sources, mining, havens/sanctums production, PI etc. Plex's will always be generated regardless of consumption by players, these plex's are generated by players who want something in game (thus revenue for CCP)for e.g. a new Super, some new faction ship, an officer mod w/e & the generation of Plex has nothing to do with who consumes them. Making Plex's less attainable for mission runners in general is for CCP = More revenue (imo) which i think is the driving force for the nerf. Cheers Candy. ___ iCandy Bonds
Candy Oshea Amarr Techfree Investment Group	Posted - 2011.05.17 00:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Lando Antilles Umm... doesn't a PLEX cost more in RL$$ than a 1-month sub (let alone a multimonth sub). So, wouldn't CCP get more sub revenue if people paid for their accounts via PLEX's? CCP therefore should want PLEX's to be 'cheap'. CCP already received the revenue from the plex which is already on the market. Mission runner will have to pay via: Subscription (generating revenue for CCP) Buying plex off website & using (generating revenue for CCP) Buying plex of market (generating No additional revenue for CCP, above the seller's purchase from website) Very simple. ___ iCandy Bonds
Candy Oshea Amarr Techfree Investment Group	Posted - 2011.05.17 02:14:00 - [4] Originally by: Ghoest obvious troll from bitter vet 25 mil an hour risk free? that a guy with 3mil SP & a drake can do? hell yes im complaining. ___ iCandy Bonds
Candy Oshea Amarr Techfree Investment Group	Posted - 2011.05.17 02:28:00 - [5] Originally by: Rafia Landras Audeles This. Let them eat nothing, says Candy. I am not quite sure that people making nothing would be better. But I would hardly call running level 4's in a drake "risk free". I Didn't Say "Nothing", i said its too easy to plex an account via level 4's which it obviously is. As to risk free, please do give some examples of other activities within eve that provide more rewards with less risk. (outside of station trading) that a 3mil SP player can do. ___ iCandy Bonds
Candy Oshea Amarr Techfree Investment Group	Posted - 2011.05.17 03:07:00 - [6] Edited by: Candy Oshea on 17/05/2011 03:09:09 Originally by: Lando Antilles Originally by: Candy Ohea CCP already received the revenue from the plex which is already on the market. Mission runner will have to pay via: ... òBuying plex of market (generating No additional revenue for CCP, above the seller's purchase from website) That's where you're wrong. If PLEX is bought off the market, that increase in demand will drive up PLEX price and therfore encourage OTHER PLAYERS to create PLEXs which generates revenue for CCP Econ 101. Thats one way to look at it i suppose & on paper your assumption is somewhat correct. However in reality i highly doubt john Q'Isk-buyer will wait for a year to "buy in big" on the Plex cycle to gain an extra 10 mil per plex. Especially given the Human Factor these days & patience is long forgotten in todays "i want in Now" world. Candy. ___ iCandy Bonds
Candy Oshea Amarr Techfree Investment Group	Posted - 2011.05.17 03:34:00 - [7] Edited by: Candy Oshea on 17/05/2011 03:38:34 Originally by: Rafia Landras Audeles Obviously? At 25 million an hour that would be 15 hours of so of running missions non stop without losing a single ship. And considering most people lose ships, or do things other than mission incessantly, it seems like an endless grind for very little payout. Nonsense like that shows the disconnect that some people in MD seem to have. These pauper players that make nothing, how long do you think they continue to play exactly? And at what point do you think they start to enjoy themselves? And what, pray tell, do you think is a reasonable amount for the plebes to make? This is a game, not a rat grind simulator. Some seem to forget that. So instead of answering my question, you turned it into some speech on how MD ppl are disconnected from the game? When i started running missions, i did 1-2 a day (maybe an Hour if that, i was using a gallente pilot, so a raven pilot would be half this) at max 10-15 missions per week. And i never lost a ship to rats. At roughly 20-25mil for 2 missions a day (including salvage, loot & LP) I was making per month 700-750m. wouldn't so much call that a "grind" more so a "gift" Asking me how much "plebes" should make is pretty childish, my opinion on missions is that they are an easy isk fountain for everyone, tightening the grip on the rewards may actually make other paths worth it, hence my original "stealth mining buff" comment. It doesn't appear that they are changing Agent rewards (i believe they are improving them), as much as locations. so we are arguing about nothing, im just voicing my opinion is all. The change/rumored change has no bearing on me personally. EDIT: Also bear in Mind, every activity in this game is revolved around "making" isk. Even PVP (Loot) Candy. ___ iCandy Bonds
Candy Oshea Amarr Techfree Investment Group	Posted - 2011.05.18 03:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Marshiro God, you might even afford to pvp occasionally! My mission runner days are long gone, if thats what you were implying. I bought a mission runner from Character bazaar to train & resell as an investment, her name is "Himemia", which i occasionaly run the odd mission with. the Gallente pilot i was talking about missioning with was 2 years ago and is now my "main" pvp character. I PvP everyday with him nowadays, was in a fleet fight yesterday Alpha shield BS v Armor BS/T3 Gang, was an excellent somewhat matched fight, until they dropped 3 triage archon's on us & repped up there BS's & T3's, so we lured them out of rep range & continued alpha'ing them i have a 2 PC set-up at home, laptop is Trading (iCandy), invention, production & occasionaly Mission running. And my big PC is for PVP/Nullsec PVE (plexes) I pay for my accounts with plex, not RL $$ & have plenty left over to PvP! ___ iCandy Bonds

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